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Re: How to burn DVD under qnx6 ?

Postby Francois Joubert » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:01 am

Armin wrote:
The runtime CD is available since a LONG time!

--Armin
Yes, and we have been using it for some time now.


Francois
Francois Joubert
 

Re: How to burn DVD under qnx6 ?

Postby Colin Burgess » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:28 pm

Well, I sincerely hope thing will change around after todays change in how things are going to be done... :-)

http://www.qnx.com
http://community.qnx.com

John Nagle wrote:
Jim Douglas wrote:
ln wrote:

Hi,
can anyone help me with this problem: how can I burn dvd under qnx6.3

Permit me to join in this thread. The third party cdtools package is
available but it has no QNX specific documentation.

I would also like to burn CDs from within QNX. I have tried to use
cdrecord without success because I am not sure what command line
parameters to use.

Has anyone out there had any experience with this?

Regards
Jim Douglas

The CDrecord people abandoned QNX support when QSSL stopped distributing
the free NC version of QNX. The site

http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html

has been saying

Volunteers wanted for ports to:
QNX -> Port for QNX Neutrino underway.

for about four years now.

I think someone got cdrecord to work with QNX 6.3 once.

Part of the price of dropping the NC version of QNX was that the Open
Source
community then dropped support for QNX. During the years that the NC
version was available, much open source software was ported to QNX. That's
over. The major open source development groups no longer bother with QNX.
Over time, less and less open source software works under QNX. Other
than a few projects like Eclipse and GCC, where QNX staff participate,
there's not much open source left that explicitly supports QNX.

There's one guy trying to get Firefox 2 to work on QNX, but the
Firefox developers don't bother any more. That's about typical.

It's sad.

John Nagle

--
cburgess@qnx.com
Colin Burgess
 

QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version return

Postby John Nagle » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:11 pm

The problem is, QNX management has said that before:

"The new QNX initiative consists of several key elements . . .

* In recognition of the ease with which developers can obtain and begin
development with Linux, QNX has decided to make their new QNX Realtime Platform
free "for non-commercial use". Developers can now download the software and its
associated development directly from the QNX website.

* In response to the growing desire for source code that has resulted from
the exploding popularity of open-source Linux, QNX will soon release the source
code for many QNX applications, drivers, and libraries."

That's from a press release back in 2000:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3407445841.html

Last time, the free version of QNX stayed around just long enough that
free software developers ported their major packages to QNX. Then
QNX management yanked it away.

Despite the new press releases, the QNX CVS source repository
(http://cvs.qnx.com/) hasn't been updated in six years.

John Nagle

Colin Burgess wrote:
Well, I sincerely hope thing will change around after todays change in
how things are going to be done... :-)

http://www.qnx.com
http://community.qnx.com
John Nagle
 

Re: QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version re

Postby Armin » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:14 pm

John Nagle wrote:
The problem is, QNX management has said that before:

"The new QNX initiative consists of several key elements . . .

* In recognition of the ease with which developers can obtain and
begin development with Linux, QNX has decided to make their new QNX
Realtime Platform free "for non-commercial use". Developers can now
download the software and its associated development directly from the
QNX website.

* In response to the growing desire for source code that has resulted
from the exploding popularity of open-source Linux, QNX will soon
release the source code for many QNX applications, drivers, and libraries."

That's from a press release back in 2000:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3407445841.html

Last time, the free version of QNX stayed around just long enough that
free software developers ported their major packages to QNX. Then
QNX management yanked it away.

Despite the new press releases, the QNX CVS source repository
(http://cvs.qnx.com/) hasn't been updated in six years.

Forget it and download the new stuff from te SVN repository ...


--Armin
Armin
 

Re: QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version re

Postby Colin Burgess » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:35 pm

John Nagle wrote:
The problem is, QNX management has said that before:

"The new QNX initiative consists of several key elements . . .

* In recognition of the ease with which developers can obtain and
begin development with Linux, QNX has decided to make their new QNX
Realtime Platform free "for non-commercial use". Developers can now
download the software and its associated development directly from the
QNX website.

* In response to the growing desire for source code that has resulted
from the exploding popularity of open-source Linux, QNX will soon
release the source code for many QNX applications, drivers, and libraries."

That's from a press release back in 2000:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3407445841.html

Last time, the free version of QNX stayed around just long enough that
free software developers ported their major packages to QNX. Then
QNX management yanked it away.

That's true, and we agree that there is a certain amount of rebuilding to be done. But we're trying,
and I certainly believe that this time things are going to work out better.

Despite the new press releases, the QNX CVS source repository
(http://cvs.qnx.com/) hasn't been updated in six years.

Go to Foundry27 http://community.qnx.com - there are individual projects, eg the os source is at
http://community.qnx.com/sf/scm/do/list ... ore_os/scm

We've switched to subversion now - and the repositories you see there are mirrors of our head branch,
not a one off snapshot!

Cheers,

Colin

John Nagle

Colin Burgess wrote:
Well, I sincerely hope thing will change around after todays change in
how things are going to be done... :-)

http://www.qnx.com
http://community.qnx.com

--
cburgess@qnx.com
Colin Burgess
 

Re: QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version re

Postby Mario Charest » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:39 pm

"John Nagle" <nagle@downside.com> wrote in message
news:fc95io$mh9$1@inn.qnx.com...
The problem is, QNX management has said that before:

So you think they should not learn from their mistake and try again?
Mario Charest
 

Re: QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version re

Postby John Nagle » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:23 am

Mario Charest wrote:
"John Nagle" <nagle@downside.com> wrote in message
news:fc95io$mh9$1@inn.qnx.com...

The problem is, QNX management has said that before:


So you think they should not learn from their mistake and try again?

I think that it will take years to recover the lost credibility.
It may well be too late. For a while in 2001, QNX actually
looked like it might get some market share on desktops for kiosk
applications, Internet appliances, and such. That opportunity
has been lost. The base of people who understood QNX has
shrunk. The few QNX books are out of print. Whole business
areas where QNX once had a presence, like point of sale systems,
have been abandoned. Even the industrial automation people are
now skeptical.

And, in fact, this new "noncommercial" version is more
restrictive than the old one. With the old one, anyone
could run 6.2.1 NC on any machine without "registering" or
needing "license keys". You could run from a CD and see
if it worked without committing to an install. That no
longer works, or so says the QNX site. I haven't tried it;
the "create an account" thing isn't working right. (QNX's
track record with "registration" isn't a good one. Remember the
horrors of the 6.3 upgrade version? We had to back off our
DARPA Grand Challenge vehicle to QNX 6.21, where it stayed.
Incidentally, it's now at UC Santa Cruz, being used by robotics
researchers there.)

Just "opening up" the system isn't enough to attract developers.
It takes work by the vendor. Look how much time, money, and effort
Sun had to put into Java, which they give away, to get market share.

I think there was a huge opportunity for QNX back in 2001, that
it was missed, and that it's too late now.

John Nagle
John Nagle
 

Re: QNX goes "open source", and the noncommercial version re

Postby Igor Kovalenko » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:07 am

Some people might be under impression that this was intended to change
something. I don't think so. Their business model is still much the same,
the only thing different is that you can get the source code now. So what?
You can get source for Microsoft... You could always get source for QNX too,
it just used to cost a quarter milllion $ or so, which was peanuts for
customers who could actually afford to tinker with the OS source in the
first place... (Cisco, et all).

Will it be useful? Perhaps. For customers who need to debug tricky things on
custom hardware, it certainly will be helpful. But it's not going to change
rules of the game. Will it entice people to write code for QNX? Only if it
is used for some widely-available hardware that many people can tinker with.
They need another Audrey or something to that effect. Get it on PS3, then it
might interesting...

"John Nagle" <nagle@downside.com> wrote in message
news:fcn4mc$ddo$1@inn.qnx.com...
Mario Charest wrote:
"John Nagle" <nagle@downside.com> wrote in message
news:fc95io$mh9$1@inn.qnx.com...

The problem is, QNX management has said that before:


So you think they should not learn from their mistake and try again?

I think that it will take years to recover the lost credibility.
It may well be too late. For a while in 2001, QNX actually
looked like it might get some market share on desktops for kiosk
applications, Internet appliances, and such. That opportunity
has been lost. The base of people who understood QNX has
shrunk. The few QNX books are out of print. Whole business
areas where QNX once had a presence, like point of sale systems,
have been abandoned. Even the industrial automation people are
now skeptical.

And, in fact, this new "noncommercial" version is more
restrictive than the old one. With the old one, anyone
could run 6.2.1 NC on any machine without "registering" or
needing "license keys". You could run from a CD and see
if it worked without committing to an install. That no
longer works, or so says the QNX site. I haven't tried it;
the "create an account" thing isn't working right. (QNX's
track record with "registration" isn't a good one. Remember the
horrors of the 6.3 upgrade version? We had to back off our
DARPA Grand Challenge vehicle to QNX 6.21, where it stayed.
Incidentally, it's now at UC Santa Cruz, being used by robotics
researchers there.)

Just "opening up" the system isn't enough to attract developers.
It takes work by the vendor. Look how much time, money, and effort
Sun had to put into Java, which they give away, to get market share.

I think there was a huge opportunity for QNX back in 2001, that
it was missed, and that it's too late now.

John Nagle
Igor Kovalenko
 

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