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Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby evanh » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:51 pm

Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$1@inn.qnx.com...
On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that some
experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get offended
at times, react and put users down when they try to help others.


Hum funny, cause I get the impression you're talking about me. It is true
that some things are getting to me, maybe it's time to retire and let it be.


Maybe I'm wrong but it sounded more like he was meaning frustration and defensive reactions than jealousy. This is normal behaviour when being attacked and questioned at every turn and is intentionally cited as being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it's something that the impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they are the ones that are jealous of the passion you/we have.


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Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby evanh » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:03 pm

Evan Hillas wrote:
attacked and questioned at every turn and is intentionally cited as
being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it's something that the
impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they
are the ones that are jealous of the passion you/we have.


A clarification: The passion is not for a company or owner or name of a product but for the way the product works and the ability to contribute to that product. *"Form follows function."*


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Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby Frank Liu » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:53 pm

Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:
On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage... Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why "the motivation .. goes way down".

On a positive side, I see lots of experienced trying to help QNX
newbies on a daily basis at http://www.openqnx.com forums. mario
is one of them.
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Re: Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby maschoen » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:57 pm

Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from school to school, district to district, and state to state. California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not at the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

kwschumm wrote:"maschoen" <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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kwschummwrote:
Hey, Mitchell, good to hear from you! I heard through the grapevine
that you
had changed careers. Hope all is going well for you.

Ken, New career didn't work out as well as I had hoped. I do have a
new degree, and lots of teaching experience, but not much else.

That's a real shame (and surprising since in this area they claim to always
be looking for good teachers). I used to do QNX instruction for DKL and that
was fun so was thinking that teaching at night might be fun too. Maybe it's
more trouble than it's worth.
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Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby Igor Kovalenko » Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:14 am

"Frank Liu" <fliu@usdjmp1.eng.vodafone-us.com> wrote in message
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Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:
On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage... Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why "the motivation .. goes way down".

Hmmm.... when did I manage to put Miguel down ... of all people? ;)
Igor Kovalenko
 

Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby evanh » Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:45 am

Evan Hillas wrote:
being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it's something that the
impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they


Err, crap, I've seriously misused that word :( "dispassionate" should have been the word of choice there.


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Re: Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby kwschumm » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:31 pm

"maschoen" <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from
school to school, district to district, and state to state.
California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not at
the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

Mitch, that is a depressing story. I'm very sorry to hear it turned out that
way for you.
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Re: Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby maschoen » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:11 pm

Many times I had to recall that wisdom about how things that don't kill you, make you stronger.

kwschumm wrote:"maschoen" <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from
school to school, district to district, and state to state.
California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not at
the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

Mitch, that is a depressing story. I'm very sorry to hear it turned out that
way for you.
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Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby Miguel Simon » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:54 pm

Igor Kovalenko wrote:
"Frank Liu" <fliu@usdjmp1.eng.vodafone-us.com> wrote in message
news:e6k663$slm$1@inn.qnx.com...
....
I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why "the motivation .. goes way down".

Hmmm.... when did I manage to put Miguel down ... of all people? ;)


Hi Igor...

You have not put me down. Rather, I actually enjoy reading your posts!

I actually appreciate the help that you have given me directly and
indirectly when you help others, specially related to the PCI bus and
such. I wish that you would help others more so that I could learn more
from your answers.

I use spin quite a bit. Thanks for that code. I am not too sure that I
sent you a post card on that. :)

Regards...

Miguel.
Miguel Simon
 

Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby Miguel Simon » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:00 pm

Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$1@inn.qnx.com...
....

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that some
experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get offended
at times, react and put users down when they try to help others.

Hum funny, cause I get the impression you're talking about me. It is true
that some things are getting to me, maybe it's time to retire and let it be.


Hi Mario...

You should not take this personally. I was not talking about me or you
necessarily, but rather about a trend that I have observed over the
years. I am sorry for that trend because I usually learn from the
questions of others and the answers from the experts.

I actually appreciate the help you give every one, and I have learned
quite a bit from all your comments. Thanks.

Regards...

Miguel.
Miguel Simon
 

Re: How many long time QNX users are still around

Postby Ivan Bannon » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:25 pm

I might be a case in point concerning the apparent reduction in activity of
these newsgroups. Over the past couple of years I've been choosing the
Internet to look for solutions and only check, or re-check :), the
newsgroups when no Internet answers are forth coming. I've been using QNX
since the late 80's and QNX2 (I still have people asking me what happened to
QNX3 and QNX5.. :)...) and I also feel that there has been a shrinking of
this community. I have a few thoughts of this.

1. Over the past 16 - 17 years I've really used very little support
directly from QNX (QSSL, or whatever) and found that the community forums
supplied about 90+% of my answers. Most of which was not through questions,
but through reviewing the postings for similar issues. Early on when I had
to contact QNX the support was quick and it was easy to get to someone
technical. Sadly over the past few years this has not been the case.
Perhaps this is just the result of growth, I don't know, but it bothers me
that QNX no longer seems to take an interest in its users to the degree it
use to. To me this drives people away.

2. I've kept with QNX4, so far, because I think it is still the best
"real-time" operating system out there. I've worked in the Microsoft world,
the Linux world, BSD, and even back to the old VAX days. To me nothing
beats working with QNX4. And I've shown several customers the benefits of
QNX over others OS's with great success. I've also come across companies
that have told me they tried QNX and found it too difficult to work with.
Most of those I associate with MS programmers trying to learn how to really
program.

3. The Internet. A great source of information when you can filter through
all the junk. :)

4. Linux. I must admit that I now look to this OS as a viable solution to
any project. It has grown more stable along with my understanding of it.

On a side note I'd like to thank everyone who has posted to these groups for
more help than I can recount.

Ivan


"Ken Schumm" <kwschumm@qsolv.com> wrote in message
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Just curious. I've been using QNX since version 1.1 in the early 80's and
have seen big changes in the QSSL since that time. Lots of prolific QNX
users from the past seem to have moved on as the market changed and QNX
moved upscale.

Ivan Bannon
 

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