qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

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Miguel Simon

qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Miguel Simon » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:02 pm

Hi...

I wonder if anyone has been able to run qnx6.3.0 on an apple machine via
the linux momentics version?

Thanks...

Regards.

Mario Charest

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Mario Charest » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:07 am

"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
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Hi...

I wonder if anyone has been able to run qnx6.3.0 on an apple machine via
the linux momentics version?
What does linux momentics has to do with this? To my knowledge all platform
(expect self hosted of course) support the same feature set.

Thanks...

Regards.

Miguel Simon

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Miguel Simon » Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:52 pm

Hi Mario...

Thanks. I am not sure what you are trying to say with your answer. If
you would expand, I am sure that I will learn new things.

Does QNX Momemntics, linux version, run on a Mac? What I am asking is
if someone has had experience with this, regardless of feature set. I do
not have access to a Mac, so I cannot experiment. Thanks.

Regards...

Miguel.



Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:cba4jd$gef$2@inn.qnx.com...

Hi...

I wonder if anyone has been able to run qnx6.3.0 on an apple machine via
the linux momentics version?


What does linux momentics has to do with this? To my knowledge all platform
(expect self hosted of course) support the same feature set.



Thanks...

Regards.



David Gibbs

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by David Gibbs » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:22 pm

Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:
Hi Mario...

Thanks. I am not sure what you are trying to say with your answer. If
you would expand, I am sure that I will learn new things.

Does QNX Momemntics, linux version, run on a Mac? What I am asking is
if someone has had experience with this, regardless of feature set. I do
not have access to a Mac, so I cannot experiment. Thanks.
The Linux dev tools are x86 executables, that is, they are compiled
for Linux on x86. If you were running Linux on a Mac (or any other
non-x86 processor) our dev tools would not work there. Well, some
of the pure IDE bits might work, cause of the Java vm -- but as
soon as you called out into anything, like say a compiler, they
wouldn't work. No idea if the installer would work or not.

Similarly our Solaris tools are Solaris on sparc.

-David
--
Please follow-up to newsgroup, rather than personal email.
David Gibbs
QNX Training Services
dagibbs@qnx.com

Miguel Simon

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Miguel Simon » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:40 pm

Hi David...

Thanks. I get it now.

Humm..., I suppose that it would be nice if at some point in the future
we could have QNX compiled and running on a Mac. I wonder, how far is
QSSL from doing this? From a simplistic point of view, it would seem
that QNX has almost all the needed tools to do this? Just mumbling over
a cup of coffee... nothing more. :)

Regards...

Miguel


David Gibbs wrote:
Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:

Hi Mario...


Thanks. I am not sure what you are trying to say with your answer. If
you would expand, I am sure that I will learn new things.


Does QNX Momemntics, linux version, run on a Mac? What I am asking is
if someone has had experience with this, regardless of feature set. I do
not have access to a Mac, so I cannot experiment. Thanks.


The Linux dev tools are x86 executables, that is, they are compiled
for Linux on x86. If you were running Linux on a Mac (or any other
non-x86 processor) our dev tools would not work there. Well, some
of the pure IDE bits might work, cause of the Java vm -- but as
soon as you called out into anything, like say a compiler, they
wouldn't work. No idea if the installer would work or not.

Similarly our Solaris tools are Solaris on sparc.

-David

Mario Charest

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Mario Charest » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:37 am

"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
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Hi Mario...

Thanks. I am not sure what you are trying to say with your answer.
Me neither ;-)
you would expand, I am sure that I will learn new things.
Here is how I see it. QNX momentics is a generic name that incompass pretty
much everything. The development platform for QNX moment are Windows,
Linux, QNX6, Solaris. On each of these platfrom all you can do is build
QNX6 executable. So only self hosted can run the executable it produces, on
the other platform you need a target to run it.

On any of the platform Momentics can build QNX6 executable for all supported
CPU. The platform you build on has nothing do to with the target you are
build for.

Your question implied (to me at least) that you seems to expect the Linux
momentic development platform to give you extra capability to build target
that can run on Mac. The two are unrelated.

Your question could mean you expect Linux Momentic development to be able to
run on a Mac since Mac OS X is based on Linux. If that is your question the
answer is no, since Momentic the development tools would need to be ported
to OS X (which is based on PPC). The IDE is java based so it should be able
to run on Mac but all the other tools would need to be ported to OS X.

As for running QNX6 on a Mac. Rumour has it that QSS has done it internaly.
That being said they already have problem supporting standard PC. I'd be
actually pissed if QSS would come out with a version of QNX6 that would
install on a MAC. I'd prefer they keep their resource at improving PC
support and coming out with new driver for the PC platform.

I also beleive their would be legal issue if QSS would come out with an OS
that run on MAC and make money out of it...

Still that is something a third party can give a shot at.
Does QNX Momemntics, linux version, run on a Mac? What I am asking is if
someone has had experience with this, regardless of feature set. I do not
have access to a Mac, so I cannot experiment. Thanks.

Regards...

Miguel.



Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:cba4jd$gef$2@inn.qnx.com...

Hi...

I wonder if anyone has been able to run qnx6.3.0 on an apple machine via
the linux momentics version?


What does linux momentics has to do with this? To my knowledge all
platform (expect self hosted of course) support the same feature set.



Thanks...

Regards.




Bill Caroselli

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Bill Caroselli » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:44 pm

"Mario Charest" <nowheretobefound@8thdimension.com> wrote in message
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I also beleive their would be legal issue if QSS would come out with an OS
that run on MAC and make money out of it...

Still that is something a third party can give a shot at.

i Mario
I agree. I'd rather see QSSL continue to support the platform that *I* use,
X86, rather than come out with support for another platform that I don't
care about. But, . . . .

Why do you think there is a legal issue there?

I though qnx *did* have support for PPC. So, can't someone build a PPC
target right now and then use it as a self hosted platform?

Miguel Simon

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Miguel Simon » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:08 pm

Hi Mario...

Now I understand better.

Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:cbbs80$s2e$1@inn.qnx.com...

....

Your question could mean you expect Linux Momentic development to be able to
run on a Mac since Mac OS X is based on Linux. If that is your question the
answer is no, since Momentic the development tools would need to be ported
to OS X (which is based on PPC). The IDE is java based so it should be able
to run on Mac but all the other tools would need to be ported to OS X.
Yes, you are correct. This is what I thought. I now realize what you
mean (David said something similar as well), and it makes sense of
course. :)
As for running QNX6 on a Mac. Rumour has it that QSS has done it internaly.
That being said they already have problem supporting standard PC. I'd be
actually pissed if QSS would come out with a version of QNX6 that would
install on a MAC. I'd prefer they keep their resource at improving PC
support and coming out with new driver for the PC platform.
I suppose that this makes sense too. However, what I mean is for
Momentics to run on top of the Mac OS, not for the Neutrino kernel to
run on Apple hardware. The Mac OS is so much more stable/pleasing and
user friendly than both Windows and Linux...
I also beleive their would be legal issue if QSS would come out with an OS
that run on MAC and make money out of it...
I meant for Momentics to run on the actual MacOS X desktop. This would
-maybe- provide the best experience of all worlds available today:
almost affordable Apple hardware, superb MacOS X, Momentics IDE +
development tools...

Thanks for your answer.

Regards...

Miguel.

Kevin N

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Kevin N » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:19 pm

Mario Charest wrote:
Your question could mean you expect Linux Momentic development to be able to
run on a Mac since Mac OS X is based on Linux.
Just a clarification: Mac OS X is not based on Linux. It is based on the Mach microkernel, and Apple
has been making use of FreeBSD code.

K.

Kevin Stallard

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Kevin Stallard » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:27 pm

That would be so nice to develop on a Mac. I wonder how hard it would be to
get eclipse to run on a Mac....

Kevin

"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:cbel31$4ou$1@inn.qnx.com...
Hi Mario...

Now I understand better.

Mario Charest wrote:
"Miguel Simon" <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:cbbs80$s2e$1@inn.qnx.com...

...

Your question could mean you expect Linux Momentic development to be
able to
run on a Mac since Mac OS X is based on Linux. If that is your question
the
answer is no, since Momentic the development tools would need to be
ported
to OS X (which is based on PPC). The IDE is java based so it should be
able
to run on Mac but all the other tools would need to be ported to OS X.

Yes, you are correct. This is what I thought. I now realize what you
mean (David said something similar as well), and it makes sense of
course. :)


As for running QNX6 on a Mac. Rumour has it that QSS has done it
internaly.
That being said they already have problem supporting standard PC. I'd
be
actually pissed if QSS would come out with a version of QNX6 that would
install on a MAC. I'd prefer they keep their resource at improving PC
support and coming out with new driver for the PC platform.

I suppose that this makes sense too. However, what I mean is for
Momentics to run on top of the Mac OS, not for the Neutrino kernel to
run on Apple hardware. The Mac OS is so much more stable/pleasing and
user friendly than both Windows and Linux...


I also beleive their would be legal issue if QSS would come out with an
OS
that run on MAC and make money out of it...

I meant for Momentics to run on the actual MacOS X desktop. This would
-maybe- provide the best experience of all worlds available today:
almost affordable Apple hardware, superb MacOS X, Momentics IDE +
development tools...

Thanks for your answer.

Regards...

Miguel.

David Gibbs

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by David Gibbs » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:52 pm

Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:
Hi David...

Thanks. I get it now.

Humm..., I suppose that it would be nice if at some point in the future
we could have QNX compiled and running on a Mac. I wonder, how far is
QSSL from doing this? From a simplistic point of view, it would seem
that QNX has almost all the needed tools to do this? Just mumbling over
a cup of coffee... nothing more. :)
The trick for running on any of the various Macs is not getting the
kernel to run on the PPC processor. The trick is hardware support,
disk, network, video, etc. Mac is not particularly open about hw
specs, so would require reverse engineering/guessing of those, etc.

It is not something that I can see ever being done as a QSSL corporate
project. Now, whether some developper at QSSL happened to play around
with doing this in his/her spare time, and happened to get QNX running
on some sort of Mac (G10?) platform for the fun of it. Well, it could
have happened. Developpers do odd things on their own time.

-David
--
Please follow-up to newsgroup, rather than personal email.
David Gibbs
QNX Training Services
dagibbs@qnx.com

Mario Charest

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Mario Charest » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:12 pm

"Bill Caroselli" <QTPS@Earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Mario Charest" <nowheretobefound@8thdimension.com> wrote in message
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I also beleive their would be legal issue if QSS would come out with an
OS
that run on MAC and make money out of it...

Still that is something a third party can give a shot at.

i Mario

I agree. I'd rather see QSSL continue to support the platform that *I*
use,
X86, rather than come out with support for another platform that I don't
care about. But, . . . .

Why do you think there is a legal issue there?
For QSS to sell QNX6 for MAC you would need MAC's official specs to build a
BSP and truely support it. Do you think Apple would give QSS the spec???
My guess is if Apple learns of another OS. that you must payfor, runs on
their platfrom they would sue QSS's ass. Looking at the past Apple seems
extremely protective of their stuff.

As porting the development suite to MAC that I don't see any problem with of
course. Alhtough I think it would be a not so simple task. Just thing of
PhAB running on a machine with a different endian type ...
I though qnx *did* have support for PPC. So, can't someone build a PPC
target right now and then use it as a self hosted platform?
They have support for targets yes, but being self hosted, as a development
platform is another ball game. If you look at the list of binairies for non
x86 you'll notice lots of stuff isn't available. Make, gcc, mozilla, then
think on all the stuff that is on the 3rd party CD, that may or may not port
well on host with different endianness.

It can be done, but not by the community (unless someone in the community
has the source to PhAb for example). QSS already support 4 development
hosts. I don't know of any OS that support that much, I don't think adding
a 5th one makes any kind of business sense.

Even if the community was to take on such a challenge, it would't make any
kind of sense (to me). You have lots of people spending lots of their time
to end up with just yet another development host, just for the benifit of
what some people call a better user inteface. Remember the IDE would behave
exactly the same under MAC. There are in my opinion LOTS of thing the
community can spend its time on that would bring more benefit to the
community in general.




>

Miguel Simon

Re: qnx 6.3.0 on a mac??

Post by Miguel Simon » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:44 am

Hi David...

David Gibbs wrote:
The trick for running on any of the various Macs is not getting the
kernel to run on the PPC processor. The trick is hardware support,
disk, network, video, etc. Mac is not particularly open about hw
specs, so would require reverse engineering/guessing of those, etc.
Yes, this is true. I see your point.
It is not something that I can see ever being done as a QSSL corporate
project. Now, whether some developper at QSSL happened to play around
with doing this in his/her spare time, and happened to get QNX running
on some sort of Mac (G10?) platform for the fun of it. Well, it could
have happened. Developpers do odd things on their own time.
I see. May be some day a (set of) developer(s) may come forth with a
gift to the QNX community. We'll see...

Thanks again.

Regards...

Miguel.
-David

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